for free, this is exactly what I expect from Microsoft.

for free this exactly what expect microsoft

for free, this is exactly what I expect from Microsoft.

After 3 downloads, still nothing in the ISO except a 24 k .TXT file. Any Explanations for this. Surely I'm not expected to load 3.2 gig of blank space. Surely I should be able to see the files in the .ISO. If not (should they be hidden in some manner) Please fire whom ever had the idea of hiding the files until they reach a DVD. No, I have not sent the .ISO to a dvd. WHY? It's empty! I'm a professional, I do not do things without predictable results, do you? I would be disappointed in this, but truefully, for free, this is exactly what I expect from Microsoft. Who at MS is in charge of beta testers? Why have I heard nothing in 5 years. Totally unacceptable, unusable, as usuall.
Fstcarr, not so fast any more

This is becoz... this ISO Image is burnt using UDF File System which is next generation file system, more considerabely for DVDs and what you are doing is......
trying to read the image from Windows Xp or earlier......to read the image u need a USF Reader..........i suggest u to get the same from Roxio.
i myself used above mentioned method
finally about BETA version, i don't think it is too good, coz its crashing all the time and no support is available till now for most of the problem
"Fstcarr" wrote:

If you download the ISO from IE it will also not always download properly... Did your download actually end up with a 3.2gig file or a very small one? If you got a very small file try using Firefox to download it (the download manager in FF gets the file correctly).
"Fstcarr" wrote:

You need to learn more about a subject before you make stupid statements. The is NOTHING HIDDEN in a .ISO file!!!!
A .ISO is an image of a CD or DVD. It has all the information you see on a CD or DVD when you insert it into your optical drive. When you download a .ISO it is an exact image of the original CD or DVD. The process to get it on one of you discs is to "Burn Image to Disc" to ensure you have exactly the same information as the original. If the file becomes corrupted during download or burning to disc, this is not the fault of the originator.
And, yes. If the original file is 3.2GB then you MUST download the entire file to make a comprehensible image at you end of the line!
I have been downloading .ISO files for around 10 years now and the process has not changed in that time. You just have to learn what you're talking about and trying to do!
Fstcarr wrote:

CD and DVD images
Scott Mendham, PC World
21/07/2004 15:29:24
If you have ever lost a valuable CD or DVD because of a scratch or general wear and tear, you’ll know the importance of creating a backup copy. Depending on the type of content you are backing up, there is a way to both back up your discs and gain quicker access to your disc collection without having to juggle CDs or DVDs in and out of your drive. The technique is known as imaging, but more frequently it is called ‘creating an ISO’.
An image is an exact copy of data stored on media — floppy images have been around for years, and hard drive images play an important role in backing up entire operating systems. Few people know it, but CDs and DVDs can also be imaged.
What’s the point?
Before heading off and creating ISOs, there is a question that needs to be answered — why make an image of a CD or DVD when all you need to do is copy or even zip the contents of the disc? The short response is that, in many cases, you don’t need to create an image at all. A CD full of photographs will hardly benefit from being turned into an image. However, there are a few instances when creating an image will save time and minimise the chances of files being lost or corrupted. The most common is backing up software installation or game discs.
If you have ever delved into the contents of an installation CD, you may have found it was chock full of files scattered across a hundred buried directories. In most cases, if you start moving the files or leaving out folders because you think they serve no purpose, there is a good chance the installation will stop working. These kind of unintentional alterations can’t be made on a CD-R, but it is surprisingly simple to do if you copy thousands of files to your hard drive (or zip them without maintaining the directory structure).
An ISO ‘locks’ the content, meaning you can’t easily change the files within it. Unless you have a specialised ISO editing program, the way to change an ISO is to burn the image to CD (or load it to a virtual drive — more on that later), copy the files back to a hard drive to make changes, and finally create a new ISO. This is hardly a process that will happen by accident.
Once you have an ISO, it can be backed up or sent to other users (very popular with Linux distributions). Depending on their sizes, you can back up multiple ISOs onto a single CD or DVD.
There is also the issue of file management. An ISO is a single file. If you have copied 20 CDs onto your drive and each contains over 1000 files, this adds over 20,000 files to your hard drive. With the increased load of files, your searches, system-wide antivirus scans and defragmentation will all be slower compared to having just 20 ISO files.
Virtual drives
A virtual drive acts like a CD drive, except that files are loaded from your hard drive. Specifically, they load an ISO image and let you access the contents just as if you had inserted a CD. This speeds up access to the files because hard drives are much faster than CD drives, and you don’t have to swap discs and wait for the CD to spin up/spin down. Click here to see a screen shot.
There is a chance you already have a virtual drive program: Nero includes a frequently overlooked virtual drive called Nero ImageDrive. A free alternative is IsoBuster (see the cover CD for a free copy). This utility works a little differently — it loads the image, but doesn’t assign a drive letter.
What type of CDs or DVDs can’t you image?
It may seem obvious, but the whole idea of copy protection for CDs and DVDs is to stop people copying them. If the CD or DVD has copy protection, it is unlikely that the ISO will function correctly. When the ISO is opened, the program usually will ask for the original CD to be inserted into the drive or will give an obscure error message.
Unfortunately, it is not always obvious that a disc has copy protection. The two most frequently protected file types are commercial DVD movies and game discs. Both systems can be defeated and many Internet sites are dedicated to these topics. The most famous is DeCSS, the tiny program that breaks the encryption techniques designed to stop duplication of DVDs (for more information, search Google for ‘DeCSS’). Next month we’ll look at ways to create ISOs and convert between the various formats. In the meantime, have a look at the free versions of IsoBuster and Burn4Free on the cover CD.
THE STANDARD THAT IS NOT STANDARD
As noted in the introduction, many people refer to CD and DVD images as ‘ISOs’. In a wider context, anything associated with an ISO normally means it conforms to a well-defined standard that everyone follows. Unfortunately for CDs and DVDs, this term has been bastardised, with the result that not all ISOs are the same. ‘ISO’ images come in wide varieties such as ISO, BIN/CUE, NRG and CIF. This can create headaches because of compatibility issues between different programs. For example, Nero 6 can burn NRG, ISO or BIN/CUE files, but Easy CD Creator 6 is limited to CIF and ISO. Even having the ‘ISO’ extension won’t clearly tell you the type of file structure the image contains.
Fstcarr wrote:

Working with ISO files
Scott Mendham, PC World
15/09/2004 08:05:36
We have previously introduced ISOs in the tutorial CD and DVD images; this month, we focus on creating an ISO. There are two basic approaches to creating an ISO, but bear in mind that you can't create functional ISOs from copy-protected discs such as commercial movie DVDs. You can build one from files on your hard drive, or you can convert an existing CD/DVD to an ISO file. The techniques will vary between programs and, unfortunately, many leading packages make the process unnecessarily complex.
Creating an ISO from a disc
The simplest tool for creating an ISO from an existing CD or DVD also has the advantage of being completely free. It's called ISO Recorder.
To create your ISO, simply whack in your disc, right-click on the drive and choose 'Copy CD to image file'. Type in a file name for your ISO and click Next. A couple of minutes later, your image will be ready. The only drawback is that the program runs solely on Windows XP.
Building an ISO
The process for constructing your own ISO is much the same as producing a normal CD. Where it differs is that, instead of burning to disc, you pick another option, such as 'Create Disc Image' or similar. Also, if you want to make the CD/DVD bootable, most programs will require you to select the bootable option in your program, rather than the normal data CD/DVD.
Easy CD Creator
The process for creating an ISO should be a straightforward task, but expect some confusion with Easy CD Creator. To make an ISO of an existing disc, start a new project, insert the disc into your drive and use the explorer section to navigate to its location. Drag the contents of the disc to the project area. If the CD you're imaging hasn't been finalised, you'll be asked if you want to add the data or import a session. This question is a red herring, so click No. If you have the import session option turned on by default, go to Tools-Options and uncheck the box next to 'Do not warn me before automatically importing a session'. To create the ISO, select Tools-Create Disc Image. Type in a file name and click Save.
Nero Nero is a little better than Easy CD Creator for generating ISOs from existing discs, but still has its own peculiarities. Drag the contents of your disc into the project area (or copy the files from your hard drive if you're building an ISO from existing files). To create your ISO, go to the menu and select Recorder-Choose Recorder. Click Image Recorder. Nero's logic is that you're recording a CD, except it's to a file instead of a disc.
Next, follow the normal burn process. When you click on Write, you'll be prompted for a file name. Nero tries to create its own NRG files, but for better compatibility with other programs, choose ISO. It's a mystery why Nero and Easy CD Creator don't have a simple button called 'Save ISO', when Burn4Free can manage this simple feature.
Burning an ISO back to a disc
Converting an ISO back to a normal CD or DVD is easy. Start your CD burning package and select File-Burn Image (Nero) or File-Record Disc from Image (Easy CD Creator). Another option is to use Burn4Free by clicking the no-nonsense Burn ISO button.
However, as I mentioned last month, all ISOs are not the same. There may be times when you need to convert ISOs between various formats to make an image compatible with your burner software or virtual CD drive. For this task, grab a copy of CD Image Converter. The cross conversion option shows just how many different flavours of ISOs are available (see here). The only problem with the software is that you need to know the structure of the ISO, which is a task more suited for propellerheads. The readme file included in the installation package offers some guidance but, if you're still unsure and Google can't help, you may be stuck with trying them all until a format works.
Opening and editing the contents of an ISO
Few people know it, but some zipping tools can open the contents of certain ISO and disc image files. One example is WinRAR (shareware, $US29) - it lets you extract files from an ISO, but you can't edit/delete the ISO's contents. A free alternative is Nathan Moinvaziri's ExtractNow, which supports ISO, IMG and BIN files (plus less common zip formats such as RAR and LZH). Whichever program you choose, this feature is handy if you want to extract a file without mounting a virtual CD drive or burning the ISO back to a CD or DVD.

Fstcarr wrote:

I have 3 ISO busters, one from the beta copy of XP (included by Microsoft when it came out), one in WLite and one in Nero, all 3 tell me the file size is correct yet I see no files in any view. Until I do, I will not be burning it to DVD or anything else, I know a waste of time when I see it. Or in this case, Don't see it. If I have to get another application, to do what 3 applications cannot do "now" but have done for me in the past, then I say again "for free, this is exactly what I expect from MS". Riddle me this, why would MS change what they sent in XP, the latest and greatest according to them, or better yet, why choose any format like UDF, ISO, the choice should be mine, or at the least, should be left up to the TESTER or admin, not MS. Who now thrust this upon us for no good reason except to be "clever". Closing note, I made my own ISO starting with integration of service pack four in Win2000, I believe strongly, based on experience, and feedback from hundreds of customers, I know what I'm Doing. Proof is easy, I open an ISO I made, or even the ISO of XP Beta and there are the files. I open any of the completed 3 downloads, I see one text file in each of three downloads. The obvious conclusion is the ISO file is empty. Thank you
Now, just to prove how insain this is, I'm going back to my Nero and install UDF and a 4 gig hard drive into one of my "Downstream" systems, Map the drive to my server, then I will format the drive UDF ( the drive will then appear as a CDRom) and explode the ISO on the media. There will be no data. Just one Text file telling me I need UDF formated media. Conclusion, Order the DVD or do without.
-- -- Fstcarr, not so fast any more
"Rick" wrote:

Good lord, stop being obstinate and burn the damn dvd.
"Fstcarr" wrote in message

Or mount it on Daemon Tools......then the OP will actually see that the files are indeed there ;o)
-- Jane, not plain ;) 64bit enabled ;) Batteries not included. Braincell on vacation ;) "Tom Scales" wrote in message

So, YOU are a "Professional" huh?? Exactly a "Professional" What?? You sure don't know much about Computer Operating Systems, DVD's, File Systems, and probably a whole lot of other stuff you AREN'T a "Professional" in. What exactly you downloaded was an "ISO" image file. You want to know what an "ISO" image file is? www.google.com ------------------------> and search for the answers!
"Fstcarr" wrote in message

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, sorry just so funny reading this, try ISOBUSTER, geeez, how hard is that, oh yeah your an expert I forgot.
"Fstcarr" wrote:

If your file you downloaded is 3 gigs... then you know your not burning and empty file because something is taking up 3 gigs on your hard drive. So, Before you go around saying "this is what i expect for free" and "i'm a professional"... maybe you chould check things out before making yourself look stupid.
I'm willing to bet that you were reading this file with WinRAR... but i'm also willing to bet that you didn't read this file. As the file saysit is a UDF file system formated file, but what it doesn't say is that WinRAR can't read it so it generates this README file.
Normally I wouldn't Call people stupid for this kind of thing, but you were very rude insulting microsoft the way you did.
"Fstcarr" wrote:

LOL. Not to mention the fact that if MS were truly sending out an "empty" 3.2gb file, how did everyone else in this newsgroup get the beta, and why didn't anyone else notice this bizarre state of affairs? So much for your "professional" expectations.
"Kaz" wrote in message

Kaz, what is your profession exactly?
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"Fstcarr" wrote in message No, I have not sent the .ISO to a dvd. WHY?

A professional tries everything before giving up.
How about sending them to a rewritable DVD? That way, if the process fails you haven't wasted a DVD+/-R.
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